Nearly a year ago I posted on here

very unhappy about the fact that my best friend had joined LTD (Leadership Team Development) and then subsequently, Quixtar.

Things were beginning to get smoothed out between us, but lately she’s been pushing her products on me more and more.

I politely try what I can but I have never purchased from her, and I made it clear that I did not wish to order from Quixtar.

Five days ago she called me up and asked me if I wanted to try the facial cleanser and shampoo from Quixtar. I said “I’ll try yours.”

A little while later she asked me for my e-mail address and I gave it to her. Then she told me she ordered the shampoo and the facial cleanser for me, and also a sugar scrub.

I said fine, but I asked if she had set up a Quixtar account for me, because I didn’t want one.

She said she hadn’t.

Well, guess what? She did set up a Quixtar account for me + ultra fat credit, personal loan $1500 unsecured from Not only that, but she ordered several other things I didn’t want, or that were so expensive she should have known I would not have agreed to pay that price.

I’m absolutely furious with her, but I don’t want to get her in trouble. So I decided to vent on here and maybe get some sage advice on how to deal with her. I’m a bit worried that she took such a dishonest step, because she of course set up my account under her name so she got the points. If she’s going to do that with me, who else might she do that to?

Do I sound petty, or do I have reason to be angry and concerned?

There are, as you might guess, two elements to any MLM:

the MLM structure and the product being sold. The general consensus of this site is that it is the MLM business model, itself, that is flawed, creating an opportunity for scammers to make money off of unsuspecting victims. So it really doesn’t matter what the product is when it is being sold via an MLM. It’s probably a raw deal for the reps.

But the crucial factor in MLM scams is that the scammers need people to sign up AS REPS/DISTRIBUTORS for the scam to work. A customer who feels he got a raw deal will simply not buy from that dealer again.
Somebody whose involvement is contractual and premised on making money will go back and buy again and again, even when no money is being made from the business.

So here’s the part many reps don’t consider when they’re getting involved in these things: Are they getting involved in it to make money or are they getting involved with it to get the product (in this case, Bazi juice)? Recruiters will recruit anyone, regardless of their intentions to start up a business. “Try it for a while. If you like it, you’ll want to share it with others, and you’d might as well make some money in the process.”

If someone is signing up as a rep in order to get the juice, my immediate question would be, “Why not just be a customer? Even if you believe in the product, that does not mean you have to become a rep to get it. Even if you don’t mind the usually higher prices, being a customer makes more sense if you’re just looking to buy the product. MLMs need real customers in order to legitimize their business. To a real recruiter, a customer should be just as valuable as a business recruit.

If someone is looking to earn a profit from selling something like Bazi juice, then there are a whole series of other questions that arise from that:

* Is there any sort of actual demand for the product? Or will demand have to be fabricated and be subject to the whims of the marketplace? (Ever seen those FeedThePig ads? They’re GREAT.)

* How much are you (generic “you”) willing to invest in this business, in terms of time as well as money, before you will consider the effort a bust? Again, even if you’re not a rep, you should still be able to buy the product without any other ties. And quitting a money-losing business should never be a source of guilt.

* Are you willing and able to overcome the objections of people (like MLM Survivors) who are skeptical of any product being sold through an MLM? MLM Reps will encounter people who WILL NOT buy the product if it is sold through MLM, even if the product has legitimate value.

* What other products are on the market already that will compete with Bazi juice? Remember that most people are not going to go into the sort of research that Bazi company reps are likely to give to their reps as a basis for selling the product. Most people will, if they even try the product, decide whether or not to buy based on how it tastes and how it makes them feel. One of the reasons Nutrilite doesn’t make a big-time showing in the open market is that people don’t care about the production methods, don’t like the MLM element of the sales force and don’t think the higher price is justified.

Putting the Bazi juice product and opportunity under that sort of scrutiny, along with other similar inquiries, will probably lead most people to the correct decision.

Greetings again, after about a 12 month absence.

Nice to see the light of truth still shines in this club. My daughter has been approached by a relative (who else, right?!) about Bazi drink. Fortunately she’s fairly skeptical and has asked my advice, given my experience with Quack-star and such. I could not find any messages on this board and googling it brought nothing more than distributor websites and other “exciting” information.

True to form, she has heard first hand accounts of people with migraines that have been miraculously healed, etc. yadda yadda yadda… No leper healings yet, however. : ) I gave her some of the usual signs to look out for (mandatory meetings, “tools” and tapes, etc.) and it appears there is a small start up fee. So if she got involved, I don’t think she’d be out much when she realized how exasperating it’d be. She has never been much to see things through to completion which has been, in the past, frustrating to us but it could work out for the better in this instance.

All that being said, anyone have any scoop on Bazi? She has not brought it up for a couple of weeks so that’s a good sign too.

Thanks for any info…. Syd

Typicly MLMers will show you the biggest check they have recieved

it does not however represent what they actualy make risidualy. I was in Nutrition For Life years ago and Kevin Trudeau put alot of presure on us to show those checks but not display how much we made in a year or how much time we actualy had to put into it. The less people you know the more time you have to spend finding prospects. I was so young I didn’t know anyone. I spent 10 hours a day looking for prospects and showing the plan to strangers. In the end I realized I would have made the same amount of money waiting tables in a nice restaurant. Just don’t even try. Now is a good time to invest in bonds, less time, same money invested, maybe more long term gain. Go get a Wall Street Jurnal, you’ll be glad you did in the long run.